Housing Support Program - Stream 1 - Webinair transcript

I'm joined by a number of my colleagues in our meeting room, including Allison Brittliff, who is running the tech.

Danisha Kabilo, Miranda McEwan, Andrew Wilson and Rowan McKeever.

They will be answering all of your questions following this meeting, I will let you all know that we have commenced recording the session as well so that for those who were unable to join today, we will be able to upload a recording of the session. We will also be taking any questions that you provide for us today and and putting those in a frequently asked questions. So I'd like to commence today by acknowledging the traditional owners on the lands on which we're meeting for me here in Canberra, that's the Ngunnawal people.

And I'd like to pay my respects to their elders, past, present, and emerging, and extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander colleagues joining us today as well, but also acknowledge that, by dint of this being a national programme, you are all dialling in from different traditional lands from around the country and acknowledge elders there as well.

As I said, my name is Erin Cassie and we are very, very excited to have launched last week their housing support programme.

We are keen to see how many of you are so pleased to to have seen the programme as well and came to join today, so Allison, if I can just get the slide deck up beautiful.

The Wonder technology it should be with us shortly.

Thanks so much.

So today we're here to talk about stream, one of the housing support programme, which focuses on the planning capability elements.

We will be commencing consultation in coming weeks on stream two, which will focus on the infrastructure and amenity elements of the programme.

So the housing support programme is the Australian government's $500 million commitment.

It's a competitive funding programme, open to all local, state and territory governments and forms part of the Commonwealth commitment to supporting jurisdictions to achieve the National Housing accord targets.

The programme will support the delivery of increased housing supply by funding projects that seek to deliver enabling infrastructure, provide amenities that support new housing development, or improve building planning capability.

There are some really important elements that I'd like to draw out.

Across the guidelines for this, so one of those is the concept of well located housing and we have taken the definition as it appears in the National Housing accord.

Which is around proximity to public transport, work, school and other amenities as relevant to that community.

That supports improved productivity and livability and is located in an appropriate and safe area. So there are a couple of really important things that I want to draw out there as relevant to that community is really important.

What proximity to public transport and jobs looks like in the centre of Sydney?

Will be really different to what it looks like in the centre or parts of our regional centres, so it's it's not that we're trying to compare those things. Two things with directly, we're just trying to make sure that it's it's well located in the context of of that particular place.

The other thing that we wanted to draw out is the appropriate and safe area now, in this context, we are really specifically talking about resilience and natural hazards rather than something like a kind of policing or law enforcement idea of safety.

Where we're talking about appropriate and safe.

We are talking about housing developments that are not in areas that face a high risk of natural hazards relative to other areas within their jurisdiction, or if they are in those high risk locations, we would want to see demonstrated the appropriate risk mitigation strategies in place for that.

Natural hazards include, but not limited to, Bush fires cyclones.

Floods, storms and storm surges. Actions of the sea. So those are kind of two things that we really wanted to draw out in terms of.

The well located housing the next piece is that kick starting housing development so very particularly for the planning capability element. We're looking for a very clear link between your proposal and how it will increase housing development.

And find the final stream, which is really important is that this is a competitive funding programme so.

All.proposals brought forward, whether they're from state governments, territory governments or local governments, will be considered against the same criteria.

So the programme will run from now concluding on 30 June 2025, in terms of these opening steps, stream one opened last Wednesday, the 27th of March.

We're going to be undertaking consultation on Stream 2 concurrently, so we expect that that will kick off in the week commencing the 15th of April.

Applications for strain One will close on the 29th of April.

And then we expect string two to open in late May.

And close in June or July, depending on timings, that's still to be finalised.

One of the key elements of this programme.

Is that it is being delivered, funding is being delivered through the Federated Financial agreements framework, so funding will flow from the Commonwealth onto.

State Territory governments through that FFA framework and then where local governments are successful proponents of a project, that money will then flow through to them. So that's just another really important factor.

Stream one projects are targeted at helping to uplift planning capability.

We're really cognizant of the fact that this is very much a responsibility of state, territory and local governments. This is not a space that the Commonwealth has a deep connection with and so we're very open to the kinds of projects that you bring forward that what would help in your particular jurisdiction.

We understand through our consultation that there are personnel issues in terms of low numbers of planners and the kind of related professions.

So whether we're looking at new pathways for planners, whether we're looking at sharing of resources where we have limited numbers of of those professions.

Whether they're resources to support master planning and planning reform, or tools to streamline planning systems, we've tried to be very agnostic.

In in the way that we've shaped the guidelines so that you can bring forward the things that that will work for your specific jurisdiction.

The guidelines are available on our website.

And we will, we will circulate that and we're looking for information around the project, budgets, alignments with state territory and or National Housing strategies.

Where relevant evidence of Co contributions and a milestone schedule and timeline, we have tried to keep it relatively streamlined.

The assessment process is again we will, we will try and keep this relatively streamlined. There will be an eligibility assessment demonstrating that that you're, you know project is within the guidelines that you are indeed an eligible organisation.

There will be a merit assessment along the lines and the guideline and then the final decision will be made by the Minister and then delivered through the FFA schedule.

The assessment criteria which are asked out in those guidelines really go towards.

The 3 criteria and the alignment to ensure that what we're funding are things that will increase housing development. So the first criteria will require that project.

Increases the efficiency and capacity of planning decisions that are relative to that community. So we're really conscious that state and sorry that that regional cities will have a different lens to look at than capital cities. So one of the things that we're we are looking at in the guidelines is that that increased supply of well located housing will be waited for regional centres. So if you are outside of a capital city, one house will equal three capital city houses.

To allow for for a more even playing field there.

What we are very much looking for is the kick starting of those housing developments.

That will allow. Sorry, I've got pop ups that are just bingging at me constantly.

We want to make sure that what is being brought forward are things that will increase the housing supply that will be in line with the national cabinet commitments for things like the National planning reform blueprint and land use planning for disaster resilience and will work cohesively with their state and territory development plans.

Assessment Criteria 2 is looking at the anticipated project impact on housing supply and over what period. So in terms of planning capability, we do understand that some of these might have a longer tail.

And what the the particular issues and barriers to investment have been to date?

And then in criteria #3.

It goes to capacity, capability and the resources.

For the planning project and how they can be delivered within the very tight timeframes that we've got.

I think I will jump into the questions which I've seen come through in a flurry, but I don't actually have on my screen except for his pop ups. Just at the end, so I'll just go through the.

The slide deck. So information for successful applicants which was referred to in the guidelines, we expect those to be published next week. They will just set out the the.

The ways in which you will need to do things like reporting and.

Sorry, is someone still only saying slide one?

OK, cool. The sorry, the slide deck has been moving for me, but clearly not for everyone else. Sorry about that.

OK, sorry about that.

We've been moving through a pace, but nobody else has been moving except me. Sorry about that, everyone.

So the information for successful applicants will be published next week we that will give you the terms, Yep.

Sorry, Erin.

Sorry, Erin. Sorry. We just gonna try and reshare this slide deck, so we'll just go forward for a second because we can see here, but we'll try to completely get.

OK, perfect.

Alright, we will circulate the slide deck to everyone afterwards.

Right. So everyone can see the slides as as we move through them previously. So here we are information for successful applicants. These are the general clauses that you'll be expected to comply with.

They are designed to be read in conjunction with the affordable housing and Community Services Federation funding agreement. They will, for those who are familiar with standard Commonwealth funding agreements, they will include things like milestone payments.

Reporting requirements and media and.

Signage requirements for for particular kinds of projects, but where there is any inconsistency, the conditions of the federation funding schedule will take precedence.

So stream two, which we will be coming to consult with later.

Is around later this month is around the infrastructure elements we have heard very loud and clear through the consultation to date that trunk infrastructure is a number one concern for jurisdictions around the country, so new or upgraded sewerage systems.

We also know that the construction of amenities such as parks and common outdoor spaces are really important, particularly for.

Infill or density projects that are looking to gain the support of existing communities.

And that construction, which will improve access to things like education, health and other essential services to support new housing development, is is also important.

So we have frequently asked questions up on the website. Currently those will be updated weekly as we receive questions from you all, we will update it. I will run through the questions now that we've gotten here, but we will include those in the in the FAQs as well. So if if there are subsidiary questions you'd like to either ask now or later on.

Our website is there, as is the e-mail address that you can reach the team on.

So I'm just gonna jump into the chat function and try and go through the questions as they were asked.

Alright, so I've got a question from Vin asking why would the Commonwealth consider the same bucket of funds should be shared between state and local governments when many regional local governments have very different housing problems to state governments which are based in capital cities. So this programme was designed by national cabinet. So this was Commonwealth, state and territory. Governments came together as part of the housing accord to set the parameters for the programme. We do understand that there are different needs in different jurisdictions and different.

Types of jurisdictions we have tried to keep the guidelines quite broad in terms of the types of projects that can be brought forward that will respond to the particular needs of the place that you're in rather than setting really stringent guidelines because, yeah, we we do understand that while this has been set up as a national programme, there will be nuances and differences between different kinds of places.


So to follow on from Vin's comment, we've got a comment from Tracy Lafroy wondering how regional, rural and remote communities applications will be assessed as compared to larger centres. So we have tried with awaiting.

Two. So three to one ratio.

We we have included in the definition the as relevant to that Community so that we can acknowledge that what is proximity to public transport, for example, will be a different mix.

Regional or rural community than it will be in the centre of Sydney, but the ultimate aim of this project is to get as many houses unlocked as possible across the country, so that ultimate aim is the sheer number of houses that Allstate and territory governments have committed to building under the housing accord and making sure that we can get as many of those built as possible. So while we have tried to kind of create a parity, we still do need to keep that ultimate objective.

In place we have a question about other slides supposed to be progressing yet yes, they were, but no, they were not.

Why can't a percentage of the fund be allocated to regional councils only again?

We do appreciate that there are really significant needs, but there are really significant needs in every community across the country.

We have tried to to give that waiting and to bring an element of of parity, but the national cabinet directive that we had was a programme which is competitive.

Funding for all jurisdictions across the country.

Got a question from Kate about why the short timelines when they negatively impact the ability of smaller regional local government jurisdictions with less staff to compete for funding, not a level playing field?

Absolutely acknowledge that short time frames are not helpful.

We have a small window to get this funding out the door, the National Housing accord itself only runs for five years. That target of 1.2 million homes to be met in five years, so we need to make sure that the funding we're getting out the door as quickly as possible at the beginning to kickstart some of these.

To acknowledge that we have tried to keep the funding process as streamlined as possible.

And not require reams of information, but we do acknowledge that this will mean that some Councils or state and territory governments choose to not apply because it's not a worthwhile use of of scant resources.

I have a question from a wise Sadiq around. Will the regional councils get priority given that they struggle again through the guideline process? We've tried to give parity but I would acknowledge that housing is a crisis in every community in the country. We do understand that it plays out differently in different places but it is it is a problem everywhere.

Another question from Peter about the slides.

Question from Heather Green around what about rural councils? One house in the rural towns is worth 10 or more in the city. Again, what we have done is gone with a really simple capital city. Everyone else 3 to one ratio noting that while we are keen to even the playing field, the ultimate objective is making sure that we can as a country reach that 1.2 million homes target.

More questions around slides.

OK, I finally found a question. It's not about a slide and I do apologise for the the tech issue there have a question from Ben Thomas. Our councillor is looking to contribute land and or air space to social and affordable housing projects and in need for resourcing to facilitate these projects and support other local social housing projects. This isn't directly planning related but will assist in the provision of housing. Would we be eligible to put apply for staffing to undertake this work?

I actually think that's probably 1 to take offline Ben and just unpack with the team a little bit more and make sure that we're answering that.

Accurately. So if the projects that you're doing will uplift the ability to deliver housing that will go to what we're looking for. But I wouldn't want to give a yes, that's in, no, that's not off the basis of that. So we can, we can come back to you offline with that one.

Can we apply for current preliminary planning work for affordable housing projects? So the?

The planning stream is designed to help uplift the planning capability, not around.

I guess specific planning that you're doing for houses on foot, but how the planning system can be streamlined and speed up? So if you are looking at, for example, redoing master planning or design guidance so that you can be in line with the national planning reform blueprints, those are the kind of projects that are.

That are eligible, we would be looking, we are we are quite broad in what we're doing in terms of.

Allowable costs because we want to see the kinds of things that are needed rather than us dictating what you might need the funding for. But we will be looking for that being an ongoing uplift to your ability to deliver planning in a in a faster or more streamlined or less complex way.

Got a question from Sophie Jordan about remediation of contaminated land be funded.

Certainly not under stream one, which is around the planning capability stream absolutely will come to you in consultations for stream two with questions like that. So as we as we design strain 2.

We've got a question from Joanna Bush around will the timing for delivery and completion of stream two infrastructure be extended at this stage, the the programme is due to be completed on 30 June 2025. So as we get proposals for string true, we would look at at that time frame then. But we note that that is the deadline that has been set.

George Wilkinson has a question around can the release of new lands in regions be funded in Stream 2?

What is the maximum size of a grant and LGA can hope to achieve?

Again, I think the stream two questions, we will come back to you in a consultation session in a couple of weeks to tease out what is needed. We have not yet designed things like maximum grant size for that round, but do you know that it's a a $500 million overall programme?

Leanne Chapaluto has got a question around can affordable housing under HSP be designed at attracting specialised council workers and seasonal workers to the remote region?

So again, I would go back to we are trying to be quite agnostic about what are the specific needs in each area. We understand that for some areas it will be Council workers and seasonal work housing, that is, that is important.

The jurisdictions it will just be any number of houses, for others it will be increased density. So it's about bringing forward the project in line with those those guidelines rather than us saying, yes, the Council work a house is eligible or or or something that would support Council worker housing. And I think the other important thing to tease out is the programme does not fund the building of the houses itself, even strain to itself is designed that enabling infrastructure that will help unlock housing development.

Natasha Weeden has a question around how would joint applications by state and local governments be assessed and waited?

So firstly, they are eligible, they are encouraged.

Obviously, the merits of each application against the selection against the criteria.

Show how they will be assessed and weighted, but if you are bringing together something strongly from a state government and a local council for example, that demonstrates that alignment with the state and territory local development plan rather, those are the kind of criteria's where you're going to score quite highly and that will will lift the application. But it again, it will then depend on the the relative merits of the rest of the proposal, the fact alone that it's a joint application.

Will not make it different from from others, it's just that they are eligible if if you would like to do them in partnership.

Question from Sophie Jordan. How does this address the other factors that have a greater influence on housing than planning? Specifically market conditions, cost of construction, labour supply and availability.

Thanks, Sophie. I think I would answer that by saying that this is one part of the government's housing agenda, very specifically around infrastructure. We do acknowledge that there are a wide range of other factors.

That impact on it, we are not hoping with $500 million to solve all of those things, but we are hoping that we can address some issues that have been raised with us both through consultation of this programme and through things like the Planning Minister's meeting.

There are issues around enabling infrastructure and issues around.

Helping to enable better planning and that's what this money is is designed to to address.

Is funding. Sorry, a question from Mark Hannon around is funding under programme contingent on Co funding from eligible councils and state governments? If Cofunding is required, what is the minimum percentage that must be put forward by a Council or state government?

So in terms of Co funding?

The federal government is will put in up to 100% of proposals brought forward by local councils, so there is no requirement for a Co contribution there.

For proposals brought forward by state and territory governments, we would fund up to 50% of the overall proposal, so Co contributions for state and territory governments not required for local councils.

Again, a question from Vin, Fordham, Lamont in small rural councils. We have a well known market failure where the cost of building a House far outweighs the value of it when completed. So we can't attract private investors to build housing. Why can't the government provide funding that actually allows us to use it to build again, I would go back to this is 1 programme in a suite of measures under the housing accord that is specifically trying to deal with the enabling infrastructure issue. We do acknowledge that that there are a range of broader issues that go to housing.

That are cannot be addressed with one $500 million project.


So Sophie Jordan has a question around related to this. Will there be a requirement on developers to deliver within a specific time frame and or deliver a higher community benefit if they have the benefit of a streamlined process?

I think in terms of the stream one projects.

We will be looking for jurisdictions to bring forward the things that will help them to deliver more streamlined planning.

That will have obviously have a benefit for developers, but also for the whole Community for stream two. Again, this is something that we're really keen to unpacking consultation is how do we make sure that with the hard infrastructure going in.

We are able to work with jurisdictions to understand.

What is viable in terms of their specific place in terms of a turn around build in terms of requirements for developers?

Whether this is a minimum number of social and affordable housings in those things, so again these are all open questions for strain 2 design that we're very keen to unpack there.

Got a question from Councillor Tracy Lafoy around will there be future programmes that provide housing specifically for regional, rural and remote communities? This scheme feels very much skewed to metro areas.

This is 1 programme that has been funded for 18 months out of national cabinet.

Future funding and funding for different types of housing programmes will be a matter for government.

A question from Shane Lidlow around the stream. Two need to be directly linked to a housing project. Or can it be for developing services to bring land on the market to build houses? Again, that's a really, really great question that we will unpack and strain 2 consultations as we are keen to know whether that is actually something that that would absolutely be of benefit.

Will criteria waiting favour local governments where state planning Minister has already made public and or media announcement that X houses will be built in ex town so?

If that public media announcement is in light with the state development plans that we've asked you to all show your alignment with, then then yes, because that'll be a clear way to demonstrate that criteria.

I I don't know that media announcements will hold more weight than simply being in a state in line with the state development plan.

Kate Keenan has asked can we seek A1 on one discussion early in the process?

To unpack some questions and ideas, is someone based in each state to do this and how do we contact them? Our team are located in the federal department, so with the exception of staff, some stuff in the Melbourne Office we are all Canberra based but very happy to set up discussions with people or to answer questions as you bring them in.

Question around can funding also be allocated to provide additional staff resources to deliver the project within the time frame?

I think particularly for stream one, we are very open to you telling us what are the resources you will need to deliver that building plan, planning capability uplift. So if that is to say we would want to bring in extra staff if that is to say we would want to bring in consultants to expedite these design guidelines or if we would want to.

Train new people in a particular skill set. I know some of the if you have flags, things like the South Australian government's power planners qualification as ways that could streamline again. Really we have tried to be as agnostic as possible with the guidelines so that you can bring forward proposals about what you need.

A question around the state has identified potential for an estimated 100,000 extra dwellings within three small Lgas combined.

However, the Lgas and state have no funding for the overarching planning, including technical studies.

To kick start this properly, three weeks to put a grant application together doesn't seem long enough to get proper quotations to provide cost estimate for the grant application. What could we do?

And again, I think I do acknowledge that because we have tried to do this very quickly so that we are able to fund things quickly. There will be some longer term things.

That aren't able to be put together quickly. I would say though that these are the types of things that we are looking for in terms of being able to help fund what is.

Needed in each jurisdiction.

So things like the technical studies, even if elements for for it are able to be brought forward, those are the types of proposals that we'd be keen to see.

Approval process internally required for Council to make an application again, acknowledging that there will be hoops to jump through in terms of getting applications done.

How soon will a copy of this recording be available? Will it be sent by e-mail? We will upload it to our website as soon as we're able to. If not today, then tomorrow.

I am loath to send it via e-mail because of issues with bounce backs that we have had and with recordings not being able being calling people's firewalls, but we are able to send around a link to where it will be on the website so that you've got a copy of that.

Is there some indication available for expected maximum funding for stream one and planning system projects?

At this stage.

Well, we have not done a hard split between the two strings because we are keen to see what gets brought forward.

But we do acknowledge that because the funding required for stream two projects is likely to be a much larger quantum.

The lion's share of the funding will go to stream 2 stream one projects are capped at $5 million.

Now rule of thumb would say.

Around about the $50 million mark for stream one and 450 for stream 2, but that is not a hard and fast split. There will be an ability to to kind of increase or decrease depending on the merits of the applications that come forward and how we can see that they will actually deliver on that housing going forward.

George Wilkinson asked a question around can you provide a sense of the size of these? Granted an LGA level please? Is it based upon relative population 500 million nationally means what exactly to a region of 25,000 people. So this is a competitive funding programme. There is not a split per head of population to any jurisdiction. It is it will be based on the merits of the applications that are submitted.

Assessed against the criteria. So yeah, we we are not doing a a per head of population split.

For for the grants.

Susan Appleyard has asked a question around if we have a suite of initiatives, can they be included in the one application? Yes, I I think if if you have a suite of things that works together as a as a whole project and fits within in the application.

You would be welcome to do that if you have specific queries about how it would fit in, please reach out to the team and they can help you work out whether that's going to be a coherent single project.

Jasmine has asked a question about in terms of eligible projects. One of these includes providing pathways for increasing capacity in the industry. However, the merit assessment requires showing the potential number of dwellings that this may increase over a time period. Will this need to be tied to a specific location to estimate how an increase in capacity will impact on supply may be quite difficult to tie to dwelling numbers absolutely acknowledge that that one may be difficult I think, and happy to have this discussion offline.

With anyone that's that's thinking about these types of proposals. But if you are looking at increasing, say, the number of planners in your jurisdiction.

By 25%.

You could look at a methodology whereby you said the the number of planners that we have are able to assess this many applications in this time frame. So an uplift in the number of planners will streamline that process by this amount of time.

That's the client. As long as you have a coherent methodology that you can explain, we're really happy to to accept how you have have gone through with that.

Kate Keenan's asked a question about kind of strategic plan to be funded by a Council using this money. Yes, in terms of bringing on a consultant to deliver a specific piece of work. Yes, that will be will be something you can do.

When is stream one funding required to be fully spent? A question from James Lang.

Funding for the programme concludes on the 30th of June 2025.

A question from Jamie O'Connor local government. Can we use the stream one funding for an assessment of our infrastructure and services to assess what we need to improve to meet the housing promises already made by NTG?

I think yes. I think if this is.

Going to go to the kind of master planning and what is needed to deliver on those housing then I think yes, those are the kind of projects that that, this funding could be eligible for.

And Glenn has asked a question about will there be contact with the local governments on their application and worked through any further info required rather than a straight note. So we've got those 3 gates in terms of eligibility.

Merit assessment and then decision.

I think it is. We are.

Very clear that if you have sent through an application and there is something very administratively small that would otherwise render you ineligible, we will reach out. We know there have been past examples in funding programmes where people have.

Not included the last two numbers of an ABN or.

Standard document and it's scanned every second page. If there are really straightforward administrative app errors, which mean that you would otherwise not be eligible, we will reach out. But if you if your application is not as strong as others when we get to the merit assessment, this is a competitive funding programme and we will not be able to reach out.

And essentially help strengthen the application if that gives you more time then it gives other applicants. So yeah.

Will we knock you out if you've accidentally not filled in one? You know, an administrative box? We will absolutely come back and and make sure that everyone is able to to move through to that next round, but we in a competitive programme, we cannot give more individual applicants more time than others.

To to put their applications together.

And then a final question from Eliza. Oh, hang on, it's not final question because more are coming in. If successful projects aren't announced until up to six weeks after the closing date of the 29th of April and Project End date is May 2025, would this mean personnel slash shared resources could be less than a 12 month funded position or contract, can they be engaged until 30 June?

I I think yes, we would be looking at A at a 12 month.

Run through of of those positions.

Karen has asked a question about you've mentioned the importance of planners a few times. Is there likely to be consideration for staffing of other key local government offices who are in regular contact with developers and stakeholders, EG urban designers, business development or economic development officers?

Yes, I think as long as they are very clearly tied to the ability to uplift that planning capability. So we understand that there are related professions and we've we've kind of used that language to try and encompass a whole lot of things that could be surveyors or it could be urban designers or it could be engineers that are required to streamline the planning system that are in short supply either nationwide or in particular jurisdictions. So yes, while I have, I have flagged plans a number of times, it's not just limited to them.

Alex Mackenzie has asked a question would the $5 million cap apply to a sub regional application comprising multiple projects across a number of towns? Or is a collective obviously the point of a sub regional application is to achieve scale dwelling yield and efficiency in resourcing. Hoping the $5 million cap would apply to individual projects.

I think that is a very good question, Alex. I think that will.

That will hinge very much on whether you are talking about a single application that is a joint partnership, or whether you're talking about related projects. So there's a $5 million project cap.

But if you're looking at at related things, that would together bring a yield that are individual applications, then the $5 million cap would apply to each individual application.

A question from Jamie O'Connor, can the stream one funding be used for master planning, social infrastructure in order to provide a desirable community to entice developers and a stream to is linked to stream one projects? Can this be referred to in the stream one application?

I think that to answer the first part, stream one funding can be used for master planning.

As long as you are able to demonstrate the housing link. So if you're talking about something that will lead to increased housing.

Quite clearly then, yes.

Stream two projects do not necessarily have to be directly linked to stream one projects. They can be quite separate, so a jurisdiction might come forward with.

A project around master planning for an area that will increase housing, but that housing might not come online for another four years.

Stream two. They might be coming forward with a project for sewage upgrade.

For housing, that is, you know where you have a developer ready to go, you just need some sewerage lines put in so they don't necessarily have to be linked to each other in terms of stream one and stream 2.

A question from Kate Keenan. If we wanted to do housing master planning across our entire LGA, would that be considered a good use of funding if it resulted in identified development parcels with appropriate zoning applied in our local planning schemes like specially designed communities? Yes.

I think is the answer to that one is just. Yes, those are the kinds of projects if you can demonstrate that clear link to the houses that you're hoping that this will unlock, then yes.

I think that's the last of the questions. If anyone is busily typing one for me.

Thank you. Whoever said that my throat is hurting quite a lot now.

Uh, huh. A question from Jamie. We need to work on our development contribution plan. Can we use stream one funding for consultants? I absolutely think so. Consult the use of consultants is something that will be an eligible cost.

How you tie that to housing and the unlocking of housing will be what strengthens your application.

Thank you all very much for your time and your interest. Today we will get this saved and uploaded onto our website. We will send around an e-mail with the link to this if you have really specific questions. Sorry. Final question about maximum number of projects we can apply for in stream one. No there's not. Please feel free to bring forward as many fantastic ideas as you'd like.

We are available. The website has the information on it. My team will be responding to emails. Please reach out if you do have questions and.

Again, thank you very much for your time and interest in the programme. Have a lovely day.